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Reply #30
« on: February 21, 2009, 03:47:41 pm »
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ok
about your b. what im meant was that what the media says isnt always the truth
do you believe the media? because i dont
if by saying that NC's are being killed than more people will not support the war
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Reply #31
« on: February 22, 2009, 02:13:50 am »
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Oh yes, the media is only one side of the story, with of course some modifications to make things look a bit better. Take BBC news, there are certain things I know they lied about, and these were far from being as important as war.

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if by saying that NC's are being killed than more people will not support the war
Don't be so sure about that. It seems to me that Hamas and Israel don't mind killing civilians at all. I mean, It's not like if Israel ratified treaties and additional protocols such as the geneva conventions. An they're not the only ones.
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Reply #32
« on: February 22, 2009, 06:24:47 am »
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i was speaking about americans shooting nc's

and ok
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Reply #33
« on: February 22, 2009, 07:26:42 am »
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The US haven't ratified all the geneva treaties either Sad
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Reply #34
« on: February 22, 2009, 08:16:20 am »
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Reply #35
« on: February 22, 2009, 05:57:11 pm »
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Firing blindly into a settlement is different from shooting at a building filled with combatants who are being sheltered by non-combatants.  At that point, when sheltering combatants from reprisal attacks, can the non-combatants truly be thought of as such.

In Iraq, the American military were forbidden to shoot at mosques, schools, and hospitals.  Guess where most of the attacks were coming from?  That is right, there are videos (both personal and drone) of troops being attacked from those very locations they were not allowed to shoot back against.  Heck, the Battle of Fallujah went on for so long because the combatants were located in the more than 65 mosques while they were shooting at the American troops.

Likewise, the majority of the civilian casualties in the Israeli.Palestinian conflict have come from combatants setting up their missile units next to schools and hospitals.  At that point, if there is damage or loss of life at the school or hospital, can it really be blamed upon the group who is returning fire or the group who is using the innocent for protection?
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« on: February 23, 2009, 04:04:05 am »
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It can be blamed on both. There are always at least two sides in a war, and as I said, it's not because some people act like assholes/monsters/etc that others have to do the same.
Moreover, the americans chose to invade Iraq, Israel chose to act the way they do, Hamas chose to launch missiles, civilians didn't choose to die because of Hamas/Israeli fire. The real difference is that Israeli civilians have control over what is done by their military, while Palestinians don't have control over what Hamas does, Just like Iraqis were not responsible for Saddam's actions. Then of course there is the question of "true control" and freedom of thought, which in my opinion does not truly exist, and of course with influences such as 60 years of war you can't really expect anything new and different, they're all auto-lobotomized now... And Israel and the muslim world do not seem to get exhausted (after 60 years of this shit), on the contrary. Call that the power of the dark side.
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Reply #37
« on: February 23, 2009, 08:16:02 am »
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Well, we disagree on this topic.  Neither of us is right or wrong, just different in our opinions.  I shall leave it at that.
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Reply #38
« on: February 23, 2009, 01:07:09 pm »
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7904929.stm

Thankfully I'm not the only one thinking the way I do. I doubt however that an embargo would be enough.
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